In 2007

marcteng:
Kamma being a form of energy is not found anywhere in this fleeting consciousness or body. Just as mangoes are not stored anywhere in the mango tree but, dependent on certain conditions, they spring into being, so does kamma. Kamma is like wind or fire. It is not stored up anywhere in the Universe but comes into being under certain conditions.


Thusness: 
This is very well said. This is Emptiness. This is Buddhism. 


In 2008:




Session Start: Sunday, April 06, 2008

(4:33 PM) AEN: 8th consciousness is not a permanent storage disk as bodhi hut suggested rite
(5:55 PM) Thusness:      don't anyhow speculate.
(5:56 PM) Thusness:      Stored is spoken out of convenience.
(5:57 PM) AEN: oic
(5:58 PM) AEN: so 8th consciousness is like storage container?
(5:58 PM) AEN: oh
(5:58 PM) AEN: read wrongly
(5:58 PM) AEN: yea
(5:58 PM) AEN: so its not a storage disk la
(6:00 PM) Thusness:      U must later get rid of the entire idea of a 'place'.  Means there are always imprints and tendencies, nothing lost.  It has always been like that.
(6:01 PM) Thusness:      'Stored' as in an on going process to means that the tendencies are there.
(6:02 PM) AEN: oic..
(6:02 PM) Thusness:      But not to see it as a place keeping track of something.  That is just what I think.

(6:08 PM) Thusness:    This is a very difficult topic.
(6:11 PM) Thusness:    The exact details of how it works has been an ongoing debate.  The reason for the introduction of the 8th conciousness to explain the continuity of consciousness by yogacarin must be understood first.
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Glossary (from http://www.kheper.net/topics/Buddhism/Yogacara_glossary.html):

*Alaya-vijnana, or "store consciousness" -- one of the central technical terms of Yogacara (Vijnanavada, Vijnaptimatra) philosophy of Mahayana Buddhism. Early Buddhists taught about existence of six-fold consciousness, that is the conciousness of five types of perception (visual, audial, etc.) and of "mind" (manovijnana). The Yogacarins analysing the source of consciousness added two more kinds of consciousness. They are: klistamanovijnana, or manas, that is the ego-centre of an empirical personality, and alaya-vijnana which is the source of other kinds of consciousness. Alaya-vijnana is above subject-object opposition but it is not a kind of absolute mind: alaya-vijnana is momentary and non-substantial. Every sentient being with the corresponding to this being "objective" world can be reduced to its "own" alaya-vijnana. Therefore, classical Yogacara states the existence of many alayas.

The Alaya-vijnana is a receptacle and container of the so-called "seeds" (bija), or elementary units of past experiences. These bijas project themselves as an illusionary world of empirical subjects and corresponding objects. All other seven types of consciousness are but transformations (parinama) of alaya-vijnana. In the course of its yogic practice a Yogacarin must empty alaya-vijnana of its contents. Thus the Yogacarin puts an end to the tendency of external projections of alaya-vijnana changing it into non-dual (advaya) wisdom (jnana) of Enlightened mind.
 
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