Someone wrote:



If I'm alone in the forest, or my room, I find that anatta comes more naturally. The presence of other people takes me "away" from the view of "mere luminous activities".
But I've seen through it a couple of times (which feels rather peculiar), removing the personal aspect of the appearance of another person.
Any thoughts or suggestions on this?

I wrote:

The penetration of wisdom into all activities and the three states takes practice, so you might need to give yourself some time.

As practice progress, anatta and not only anatta but maha total exertion becomes natural. There must also be a certain degree of fearlessness (for boundless opening without reservation to any given situation/encounters) and non-attachment, then let this penetrate into sleep, then even if you face "monsters" (enough to scare the shit out of ordinary people), such experiences can transform into nondual bliss and clarity as I wrote in fearless samadhi https://awakeningtoreality.blogspot.com/.../fearless... , otherwise there can be a habitual self-contraction. The Tibetans describe this as not letting the appearances turn into 'enemies' or 'others' but rather recognizing all appearances to be one's empty radiance, this is important even in death and bardo.


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Soh Wei YuSunday, April 21, 2013 at 11:38pm UTC+10

facing all kinds of stuff in life and yet experiencing the three characteristics of self-liberation like you said, "non-duality, non-attachment and fearlessness" is how i understand dong zhong xiu (practice amidst movement) now
John TanSunday, April 21, 2013 at 11:39pm UTC+10

yes but with the direct and intuitive knowledge that there is no you facing anything, it is the entire universe facing it.
John TanSunday, April 21, 2013 at 11:40pm UTC+10

it is like all the phases of ur insights actualized in this conventional world
John TanSunday, April 21, 2013 at 11:41pm UTC+10

means when say talking to my children, it is neither me nor him....it is one activity
John TanSunday, April 21, 2013 at 11:41pm UTC+10

like i talk to you
John TanSunday, April 21, 2013 at 11:42pm UTC+10

it does not mean that soh does not exist
John TanSunday, April 21, 2013 at 11:43pm UTC+10

it is just no thusness or soh, only the question on hand that makes up the situation...
John TanSunday, April 21, 2013 at 11:43pm UTC+10

or when u talking to ur teacher, no teacher or student relationship...just a single activity...get it?
Soh Wei YuSunday, April 21, 2013 at 11:44pm UTC+10

i see..
John TanSunday, April 21, 2013 at 11:45pm UTC+10

teacher is not teacher, student not student...teacher becomes the student, the student becomes the teacher, the teacher is the teacher, the student is the student, no teacher, no student...all as one activity...
Soh Wei YuSunday, April 21, 2013 at 11:46pm UTC+10

maybe thats what guru yoga is about :P
John TanSunday, April 21, 2013 at 11:46pm UTC+10

i am not sure about guru yoga...lol
John TanSunday, April 21, 2013 at 11:47pm UTC+10

everything interpenetrates, everything interdefines, there is no everything...
John TanSunday, April 21, 2013 at 11:48pm UTC+10

when eyes are open...the spontaneous presence of scenery...no seer, no seeing, no seen...seer is the seeing is the seen...just this, the entire movement.
Soh Wei YuSunday, April 21, 2013 at 11:49pm UTC+10

ic..
John TanSunday, April 21, 2013 at 11:50pm UTC+10

this must be your moment to moment encounter in mundane activity
John TanSunday, April 21, 2013 at 11:52pm UTC+10

deconstruct self, deconstruct physical, deconstruct external, deconstruct internal...be free from all arbitrary definitions and stories...then whatever experience is neither physical nor mental nor spiritual...just direct, non-conceptual as it is state of self arising...
John TanSunday, April 21, 2013 at 11:55pm UTC+10

be free from all arbitrary thoughts and definitions...don't let 'yourself' be troubled by all these so that this activity is unobstructed and uncontrived in clean purity...then experience will be transparent and total.



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He wrote:

  Soh Wei Yu thank you. I find John's words there particularly poignant! 🙏

This investigation of anatta with others is getting interesting... Thank you all for the input. ❤️


I wrote further:


“Birth is just like riding in a boat. You raise the sails and row with the pole. Although you row, the boat gives you a ride, and without the boat no one could ride. But you ride in the boat and your riding makes the boat what it is. Investigate such a moment.”

- Dogen


(+A)
When u cook, there is no self that cooks, only the activity of cooking. The hands moves, the utensils act, the water boils, the potatoes peels …here there is no room for simplicity or complications, the “kitchen” went beyond it’s own imputation and dissolved into the activity of cooking and the universe is fully engaged in this cooking.
(-A)
30 years of practice and 23 years of kitchen life is like a passing thought.
How heavy is this thought?
The whereabouts of this thought?
Tastes the nature of this thought.
It never truly arises.

~ Thusness




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