tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3225985453951330898.post3420141035978978305..comments2024-03-18T10:07:38.422+08:00Comments on Awakening to Reality: Some Writings on Self-Enquiry and Non-duality by Ken WilberSohhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16416159880942160813noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3225985453951330898.post-23533897245369916892019-12-22T16:36:04.488+08:002019-12-22T16:36:04.488+08:00"Only when the awareness slowly started to st..."Only when the awareness slowly started to stay awake in the dreams and dreamless sleep and hard jhanas was I able to notice the sequence of stripping towards this "True Self" - sequentially disappearing emotions, thoughts, biografical memory, 6 senses with proprioception and pitisukha as last one, location in space, center, time, space, awareness, something less than awareness: no-self? I realized that nothing is added and what remains at the end (for me it's been end so far) whas there from the begining."<br /><br /><br />This part is the I AM.<br /><br /><br />"Now I have glimpses of this layer being always present and separate from sensate world and switch to it being the condition for the sensate world (being able to see from within objects or light as intrinsic in objects)."<br /><br /><br />Having glimpses of non-dual.<br /><br />You should focus on the two stanzas of anatta and bahiya sutta contemplation in the AtR guide, that should help you arise insight into anatta - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xCaHV3T7LMNvuLew3eg-Vgjc_Q2tm6vnw7Yuy_Pv67Y/edit?usp=sharing&fbclid=IwAR1t-p0YpRxX8DkgiZCSSmvflMuLVwb_FVKDES_ep_7JhsgBrXFP99uBQSgSohhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16416159880942160813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3225985453951330898.post-89524357159142580932019-12-22T16:31:46.618+08:002019-12-22T16:31:46.618+08:00As I drop all objects–I am not this, not that–and ...<br /><br />As I drop all objects–I am not this, not that–and I rest in the pure and simple Witness, all objects arise easily in my visual field, all objects arise in the space of the Witness.<br /><br /><br />~~isn't it as if there was this background, container or substance, from which things come and to which they go?<br /><br /><br />--> Yes, sinking back to the background Witness, which is an illusion. That is the I AM/Witness. Dualistic.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />"<br /><br />I am simply an opening or clearing in which all things arise. I notice that all things arise in me, arise in this opening or clearing that I am. The clouds are floating by in this vast opening that I am. The sun is shining in this vast opening that I am. The sky exists in this vast opening that I am; the sky is in me. (…)<br />things. There is no subject and object because I do not see the clouds, I am the clouds. (…)<br />I am no longer on this side of my face looking at the world out there; I simply am the world. I am not in here. I have lost face—and discovered my Original Face, the Kosmos itself. The bird sings, and I am that. The sun rises, and I am that. The moon shines, and I am that, in simple, ever-present awareness.<br /><br />And below seems to be a different stage:<br /><br />When I rest in simple, clear, ever-present awareness, every object is its own subject. Every event “sees itself,” as it were, because I am now that event seeing itself. I am not looking at the rainbow; I am the rainbow, which sees itself. I am not staring at the tree; I am the tree, which sees itself.<br /><br />What would you say?"<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />All these are between one mind to no mind. But not anatta. See https://awakeningtoreality.blogspot.com/2018/10/differentiating-i-am-one-mind-no-mind.htmlSohhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16416159880942160813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3225985453951330898.post-70808490323238326242019-12-03T02:23:54.426+08:002019-12-03T02:23:54.426+08:00"Practicing being 'bare' in attention..."Practicing being 'bare' in attention yet at the same time noticing the 3 characteristics will eventually bring us to this point."<br /><br />What does it mean "being bare in attention?<br /><br />"However what has a yogi overcome when moving from case 1 to 2 and what exactly is the cause of separation in the first place?"<br /><br />In my case it was the inability to perceive the sequence of changes during first breakthrough/kensho, the shift from subject-object duality-based thoughts to nondual unitive experience of pure awareness embodied as original body in all forms was simply too fast and lasted too short (two days plus weeks of aftermath effects). When my sense of self constituted back, it still felt pretty solid and seemingly vastly different than that spiritual experience. Although the luminosity experience remained always-present - I immediately reified it into God-like True Self of the universe (instead of No-Self of everything). Just the same way as the reification of self took place, the reification of True Self happened. <br /><br />For ten years it continued with Light flooding and dissolving sense of self but leaving the trace of True Self of the Universe, in which all the forms resided. Thoughts came and went revealing and obscuring the Light. Now I see it as typical for Christian mystic experiences.<br /><br />Only when the awareness slowly started to stay awake in the dreams and dreamless sleep and hard jhanas was I able to notice the sequence of stripping towards this "True Self" - sequentially disappearing emotions, thoughts, biografical memory, 6 senses with proprioception and pitisukha as last one, location in space, center, time, space, awareness, something less than awareness: no-self? I realized that nothing is added and what remains at the end (for me it's been end so far) whas there from the begining. <br /><br />Now I have glimpses of this layer being always present and separate from sensate world and switch to it being the condition for the sensate world (being able to see from within objects or light as intrinsic in objects).<br /><br />Any pointers here? Which stage(s) are these in your system?<br /><br />hae1ennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3225985453951330898.post-62956249480791238542019-12-03T02:00:57.458+08:002019-12-03T02:00:57.458+08:00Hi Soh,
Would you agree that these two parts of t...Hi Soh,<br /><br />Would you agree that these two parts of the text depict different stages, but nor distinguished clearly? Why do you think that is? Which stages would they be?<br /><br /><br />As I drop all objects–I am not this, not that–and I rest in the pure and simple Witness, all objects arise easily in my visual field, all objects arise in the space of the Witness.<br /><br /><br />~~isn't it as if there was this background, container or substance, from which things come and to which they go?<br /><br /> I am simply an opening or clearing in which all things arise. I notice that all things arise in me, arise in this opening or clearing that I am. The clouds are floating by in this vast opening that I am. The sun is shining in this vast opening that I am. The sky exists in this vast opening that I am; the sky is in me. (…)<br />things. There is no subject and object because I do not see the clouds, I am the clouds. (…)<br />I am no longer on this side of my face looking at the world out there; I simply am the world. I am not in here. I have lost face—and discovered my Original Face, the Kosmos itself. The bird sings, and I am that. The sun rises, and I am that. The moon shines, and I am that, in simple, ever-present awareness.<br /><br />And below seems to be a different stage:<br /><br />When I rest in simple, clear, ever-present awareness, every object is its own subject. Every event “sees itself,” as it were, because I am now that event seeing itself. I am not looking at the rainbow; I am the rainbow, which sees itself. I am not staring at the tree; I am the tree, which sees itself. <br /><br />What would you say?hae1ennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3225985453951330898.post-57302757469293786752012-12-07T02:25:17.859+08:002012-12-07T02:25:17.859+08:00"Don't be fooled into thinking a permanen..."Don't be fooled into thinking a permanent and transcendent 'state' awaits or is the objective. You can not live this earthly life without the manifest form reflecting your radiance in the dream. Such events are invitations to know your nature as that in which even such death events occur. You do not move, ever."<br /><br />Indeed, one must not be fooled into a deluded view of a permanent and transcended state. Indeed, the dream stuff is precisely the radiance of awareness, there has never been the slightest line of separation except in deluded thought. The spontaneous radiance/manifestation has never moved, without a need to sink back to a "unmoved you/source" or "unmoving perceiver" to contain manifestation, the entirety and completeness of manifestation already reveals its non-arising and non-moving quality. Manifestation is the source.<br /><br />As Thusness said in reply to something in another forum years ago: "A practitioner that experience the “Self” will initially treat<br />1.The “Source as the Light of Everything”.<br />then<br />2. He/she will eventually move to the experience that the “Light is really the Everything”.<br /><br />In the first case, the Light will appear to be still and the transience appears to be moving. Collapsing of space and time will only be experienced when one resides in Self. However if the mind continues to see the 'Light' as separated from the 'Everything'...<br /><br />...In the second case when we experience the “Light is really the Everything”, then Everything will be experienced as manifesting yet not moving. This is the experience of wholeness and completeness in an instantaneous moment or Eternity in a moment. When this experience becomes clear in practice, then witness is seen as the transience. Space and time will also collapse when we experience the completeness and wholeness of transience. An instantaneous moment of manifestation that is complete and whole in its own also does not involve movement and change (No changing thing, only change). Practicing being 'bare' in attention yet at the same time noticing the 3 characteristics will eventually bring us to this point.<br /><br />However what has a yogi overcome when moving from case 1 to 2 and what exactly is the cause of separation in the first place? I think realizing this cause is of utmost importance for solving the paradox of realization and development...Sohhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16416159880942160813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3225985453951330898.post-5794484752823068842012-12-07T02:15:10.606+08:002012-12-07T02:15:10.606+08:00Hi Darryl, nice seeing you popping by my blog.
&q...Hi Darryl, nice seeing you popping by my blog.<br /><br />"This 'One Taste' - happens in something which is the observing and revealing power of all passing state and experience - You."<br /><br />Comments: all experiences IS the observing, awareness, revealing/revelation without a dichotomy of a knower and a known.<br /><br />"I have experienced such events and upon pausing to observe, can experience this non-dual vision spoken of. And? If such events do not reveal the truth of your nature to you - it is because you may lack a basic of comprehending the meaning being offered."<br /><br />You seem to have mistaken non-duality to be a peak experience or state. This is due to having a nondual experience but not the penetrating realization of the nondual and anatta nature to be what is always already the case as the nature of awareness. Non-duality is not a state or experience being observed (in the first place if you say it is observed by you, that would already imply a dualistic division of a you/perceiver and the object being perceived). Non-duality is rather the ever-present nature of awareness as having never ever been divided in terms of a subjective perceiver and an object being perceived, and awareness turns out to have always been the fabric and textures of manifestation arising moment to moment be it forms or formless. All are already one taste! Formless awareness is no longer seen to be any more ultimate or special than the self-illuminating forms and textures of awareness without a separate knower apart from the known.<br /><br />As written years ago: <br /><br />"First I do not see Anatta as merely a freeing from personality sort of experience as you mentioned; I see it as that a self/agent, a doer, a thinker, a watcher, etc, cannot be found apart from the moment to moment flow of manifestation or as its commonly expressed as ‘the observer is the observed’; there is no self apart from arising and passing. A very important point here is that Anatta/No-Self is a Dharma Seal, it is the nature of Reality all the time -- and not merely as a state free from personality, ego or the ‘small self’ or a stage to attain. This means that it does not depend on the level of achievement of a practitioner to experience anatta but Reality has always been Anatta and what is important here is the intuitive insight into it as the nature, characteristic, of phenomenon (dharma seal). <br /><br />To put further emphasis on the importance of this point, I would like to borrow from the Bahiya Sutta (http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/kn/ud/ud.1.10.irel.html) that ‘in the seeing, there is just the seen, no seer’, ‘in the hearing, there is just the heard, no hearer’ as an illustration. When a person says that I have gone beyond the experiences from ‘I hear sound’ to a stage of ‘becoming sound’, he is mistaken. When it is taken to be a stage, it is illusory. For in actual case, there is and always is only sound when hearing; never was there a hearer to begin with. Nothing attained for it is always so. This is the seal of no-self. Therefore to a non dualist, the practice is in understanding the illusionary views of the sense of self and the split. Before the awakening of prajna wisdom, there will always be an unknowing attempt to maintain a purest state of 'presence'. This purest presence is the 'how' of a dualistic mind -- its dualistic attempt to provide a solution due to its lack of clarity of the spontaneous nature of the unconditioned. It is critical to note here that both the doubts/confusions/searches and the solutions that are created for these doubts/confusions/searches actually derive from the same cause -- our karmic propensities of ever seeing things dualistically"Sohhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16416159880942160813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3225985453951330898.post-42786222893674945102012-12-06T23:33:49.009+08:002012-12-06T23:33:49.009+08:00This 'One Taste' - happens in something wh...This 'One Taste' - happens in something which is the observing and revealing power of all passing state and experience - You.<br /><br />I have experienced such events and upon pausing to observe, can experience this non-dual vision spoken of. And? If such events do not reveal the truth of your nature to you - it is because you may lack a basic of comprehending the meaning being offered.<br /><br />"When the only remaining known aspect, after the release of the body and the spark that resides in the heart centre - was simply an image of a sky - and this sky 'tipped over' - a jump back into the mind and body revealed that this tipping of the sky - was the body falling over in death.<br /><br />Don't be fooled into thinking a permanent and transcendent 'state' awaits or is the objective. You can not live this earthly life without the manifest form reflecting your radiance in the dream. Such events are invitations to know your nature as that in which even such death events occur. You do not move, ever.dazhttp://www.thiswakingself.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3225985453951330898.post-87133334766360417232008-01-24T22:14:00.000+08:002008-01-24T22:14:00.000+08:00Non-Duality can be transformed into a scientific c...Non-Duality can be transformed into a scientific concept, that can even be proved experimentally. But we have to recognize clearly where non-duality has to be applied physically. Non-Duality in its original resp. traditional form does not offer any information about this WHERE. It suffers like all acient concepts of being vague and undefined.<BR/>But if the relevant area or branch within our physical Universe is found, then non-duality is the key to prove the existence of the ONE (or the mind)experimentally.<BR/><BR/>I've written a paper about this issue. It can be downloaded at the webpage:<BR/><BR/><BR/>http://abstracts.conf15.worldnpa.org<BR/><BR/>You have to look for the paper:<BR/>About an Anomaly that challenges Relativity - Mach's Principle versus Principle of Radical Non-Duality.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3225985453951330898.post-81326308073508560462008-01-08T18:13:00.000+08:002008-01-08T18:13:00.000+08:00"The ordinary, ignorant person can only see things..."The ordinary, ignorant person can only see things as objects seen by a subject. Then, with a certain shift of understanding away from separate personal identity, it dawns on him that only the impersonal subject is real while the objects themselves are illusory. Finally, with total enlightenment, the sage sees objects as objects once again but within an essential unity where there is no separation of subject from object, or in fact any separation of any kind." <BR/><BR/>~ Ramesh BalsekarAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com