Thusness wrote in the comments section of the LuminousEmptiness blog in 2009:

http://luminousemptiness.blogspot.com/2008/07/where-did-my-breath-go.html
What expressed is truly wonderful!
It is so much to my liking that I have to say something.

Always only an asumption collating together and called 'something'.
Be it breath, anger, fear or anything manifesting;
Always only sensations or heart beats or coldness or an arising thought of something.
Exactly like what Buddha taught in anatta,
Merely aggregates and 18 dhatus playing;
With no agent anywhere found hiding.

When experience matures in the practice of great ease,
The experience is maha! Great, miraculous and bliss.
In mumdane acitivies of seeing, eating and tasting,
When expressed poetically is asif the entire universe meditating.

Whatever said and expressed are really all different flavours,
Of this everything of everything dependently originating,
As this moment of vivid shimmering.

May Buddha blessed you full enlightenment,
good luck and forgive my busy-bodying!

Gone!

http://luminousemptiness.blogspot.com/2008/12/reflections-on-naropa-summary-of.html

Great and wonderful insight!
Just a 2 cents from a PasserBy, nothing intense.

It is pointless to know the nature of mind is luminous and empty,
If there is no insight that this innate nature is the direct seal of Great Bliss.

After insight of anatta, emptiness and non-dual luminosity,
It is advisable not to retract to practices that made mind contrive.

Never underestimate this direct path of great ease,
Even aeons lives of practices cannot touch the depth of its profundity.

Deeply experience this luminous yet empty nature, its thorough effortlessness and spontaneity.
It is the heart of Mahamudra, the great art that simply be.

Deep bow and reverent to Naropa for this view concisely put and,
Homage to the ground, this natural state of Great Bliss.

Happy Journey!

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"I don't personally find it pointless - rather, a step along the way ;-)..."

Indeed and thanks for pointing out. :)

The degree of “un-contrivance” is the degree of how unreserved and fearless we open to whatever is.
For whatever arises is mind, always seen, heard, tasted and experienced.
What that is not seen, not heard and not experienced is our conceptual idea of mind.
Whenever we objectify the “brilliance, the pristine-ness” into an entity that is formless,
It becomes an object of grasp that prevents the seeing of the “forms”, the texture and the fabric of awareness.
The tendency to objectify is subtle, even ‘nowness’ and ‘hereness’ are as ‘selfness’. :)
Whatever arises merely dependently originates, needless of who, where and when.

All experiences are equal, luminous yet empty of self-nature.
Though empty it has not in anyway denied its vivid luminosity.

Liberation is experiencing mind as it is.
Self-Liberation is the thorough insight that this liberation is always and already is;
Spontaneously present, naturally perfected!

Just a sharing.

Happy new year to you!

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http://luminousemptiness.blogspot.com/2009/03/all-experience-is-mind.html



Yes indeed. From the perspective of awareness, there is no way to point to a moment of experience and say this is ‘in’ and this is ‘out’. All ‘in’ are as ‘out’; to awareness seamless experience is all there is.

Yet in addition to this ‘ungraspability and unlocatabilty’ nature, emptiness is also about this maha sensation when a moment of luminous experience comes into being due to the inter-being and interdependency of everything asif the universe is doing the work and nothing ‘me’. When there is no sense of self, ‘Tong!’, the sound, the person, the stick, the bell, hitting, vibration of the air, ears...all come together as the moment of experience called 'sound'. The universe is giving its very best for this moment of experience to arise.

Also when experience is seen as the manifestation of dependent origination, there is a sensation of always right wherever and whenever is. A sensation of home everywhere yet no place can be called home.

Just a sharing.

6 Responses
  1. Anonymous Says:

    Unrelated Q : to wat extend will bodily dysfunction, specificaly,those related to the brain( 4 we know very well, biochemical havoc can cause all sorts of disorder, mental illness, depression etc..) prevent realization? Can de mentally ill had realization?Does realization mainly depends on attention(focussing of awareness)? Wat bout karmic factors?


  2. Soh Says:

    It depends on the severity. Deep realization will resolve depression as shown in Pam's case - http://awakeningtoreality.blogspot.com/2018/09/pams-awakening.html

    Unless the mental illness completely prevents one from meditating and contemplating, I don't think it will prevent realization. But still, it is good to seek medical help for one's well-being if one is afflicted with mental conditions.


  3. Soh Says:

    Realizing does not really depend too much on focusing though some focus is required to contemplate.


  4. Anonymous Says:

    Abt karma : Ultimately, coming into earth hving dis body is bcos of karma...the whole existence is nothing but karma... so neti neti "(not this and dat - discarding wats not our real essence)is the proper way to our real essence ... i will recontradict u again here - manifestation/phenomena/ "existence" ....they r all karma, and karma is to be trancended and go beyond...


  5. Soh Says:

    There is no self/Self transcending manifestation, phenomena arise and cease without I, that's all. If karmic traces are exhausted, there will not be rebirth. If you still have the slightest sense that there is an ultimate Self transcending manfiestation, there will not be a trace of nirvana, only clinging, and rebirth into a formless realm for a long time only to pass away from that state of samadhi and be reborn again in other realms of samsara.

    Anyway your statement is not correct. Not everything is due to karma, but karma is part of the conditions.

    https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/sn/sn36/sn36.021.than.html

    On one occasion the Blessed One was dwelling near Rajagaha in the Bamboo Grove Monastery, the Squirrel's Feeding Place. There Moliyasivaka the wanderer went to the Blessed One and, on arrival, exchanged courteous greetings with him. After an exchange of friendly greetings & courtesies, he sat to one side. As he was sitting there, he said to the Blessed One, "Master Gotama, there are some brahmans & contemplatives who are of this doctrine, this view: Whatever an individual feels — pleasure, pain, neither-pleasure-nor-pain — is entirely caused by what was done before. Now what does Master Gotama say to that?"

    [The Buddha:] "There are cases where some feelings arise based on bile.[1] You yourself should know how some feelings arise based on bile. Even the world is agreed on how some feelings arise based on bile. So any brahmans & contemplatives who are of the doctrine & view that whatever an individual feels — pleasure, pain, neither-pleasure-nor-pain — is entirely caused by what was done before — slip past what they themselves know, slip past what is agreed on by the world. Therefore I say that those brahmans & contemplatives are wrong."

    "There are cases where some feelings arise based on phlegm... based on internal winds... based on a combination of bodily humors... from the change of the seasons... from uneven[2] care of the body... from harsh treatment... from the result of kamma. You yourself should know how some feelings arise from the result of kamma. Even the world is agreed on how some feelings arise from the result of kamma. So any brahmans & contemplatives who are of the doctrine & view that whatever an individual feels — pleasure, pain, neither pleasure-nor-pain — is entirely caused by what was done before — slip past what they themselves know, slip past what is agreed on by the world. Therefore I say that those brahmans & contemplatives are wrong."

    When this was said, Moliyasivaka the wanderer said to the Blessed One: "Magnificent, lord! Magnificent! Just as if he were to place upright what was overturned, to reveal what was hidden, to point out the way to one who was lost, or to carry a lamp into the dark so that those with eyes could see forms, in the same way has the Blessed One — through many lines of reasoning — made the Dhamma clear. I go to the Blessed One for refuge, to the Dhamma, & to the community of monks. May the Blessed One remember me as a lay follower who has gone for refuge from this day forward, for life."

    Bile, phlegm, wind, a combination,
    Season, uneven, harsh treatment,
    and through the result of kamma as the eighth.[3]


  6. Soh Says:

    A flame on oil lamp burns depending on fuel (oil), and when the oil is dispensed with, the flame also ceases.

    That's like Nirvana -- Nirvana is called 'extinguishment', like the extinguishing of a flame. Nirvana with remainder is the extinguishing of passion (including for an ultimate Consciousness), aggression, and delusion. Nirvana without remainder is the above, plus, all experiences gone cold (no more rebirth after passing).

    If you think there is something hidden far away from the flame, you are in delusion. It is just that only the flame manifests on the presence of conditions, and ceases upon the cessation of conditions.

    The notion that there is an ultimate Self as a safe refuge is just more clinging -- more chasing and clinging to another state, another fuel for becoming/being/birth.